What single car do you hate with every fiber of your being?

"Quadradeuce" (quadradeuce) 02/11/2016 at 10:23 • Filed to: None

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The post yesterday about abandoned cars in Detroit got me thinking about my most hated car: The 1996-2007 Dodge Caravan. I don’t really know if there’s one thing about it that gets my blood boiling, but every time I see one on the road I desperately wish my truck came equipped with forward facing anti-aircraft guns. Maybe it’s the completely uninspiring shape, or that every one on the road looks like a prop from an off-Broadway Mad Max musical. I just hate them with the fire of a thousand suns.

You’ve all seen this driving around.

And apparently so do their drivers judging by how well they take care of them. I’ve even started playing a game. The goal is to see if I can spot a Caravan that doesn’t have a dent, rust spot, mis-colored panel, etc. I’ve only found a handful. It almost seems mandatory that the bumper corners be caved in.

So, in the spirit of my hatred of Caravans, post your most hated car. Be as specific as possible. If you say “any large CUV” I’m going to call you lame. Call out the Traverse (a hateful car) or something specific.

R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet > Quadradeuce 02/11/2016 at 10:25

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Honda Odyssey:

The poster vehicle for American parents whose activities and children are vastly more important than you and your safety.

not for canada - australian in disguise > Quadradeuce 02/11/2016 at 10:26

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EL_ULY > Quadradeuce 02/11/2016 at 10:27

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NONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jdrentarol > Quadradeuce 02/11/2016 at 10:31

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Pretty obvious

Master Cylinder > Quadradeuce 02/11/2016 at 10:32

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I’m not a fan of bro-dozers in general. But I really hate the Ram. Even in stock form. I have almost been run over by a douchebag Ram driver more times than any other vehicle.

crowmolly > Quadradeuce 02/11/2016 at 10:32

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A number of reasons:

1.) Really nothing special and not good off road from what I’ve heard.

2.) Borderline dangerously slow

3.) They represent the SUV ALL THE FUCKING THINGS movement from the 2000's

4.) The owner stereotypes are usually true

5.) I remember back when it wasn’t “H1/H2/H3T”, etc. There was only the original Hummer and they were cool as shit at the time. The name wasn’t watered down and synonymous with douchebaggery, it was associated with Desert Storm, durability, and functionality.

Quadradeuce > EL_ULY 02/11/2016 at 10:33

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Liar!

Azrek > Quadradeuce 02/11/2016 at 10:33

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A soulless POS....I get angry when I see it and more angry when I get it as a rental!!

Quadradeuce > Azrek 02/11/2016 at 10:35

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I’m not sure what I would do if I was offered that as a rental. Walk?

DoYouEvenShift > Azrek 02/11/2016 at 10:36

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You could get an SS as a rental? Nice

dtg11 - is probably on an adventure with Clifford > Quadradeuce 02/11/2016 at 10:38

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Is this really a question?

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > Master Cylinder 02/11/2016 at 10:38

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but that cummins...mmmm

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > crowmolly 02/11/2016 at 10:39

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the H3T is actually a really cool truck that I’d love to own, it just came out at exactly the wrong time when Hummer hate was at its peak

Tripper > Quadradeuce 02/11/2016 at 10:41

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RWB Porsches in particular, but anything “stanced” overall

EL_ULY > Quadradeuce 02/11/2016 at 10:42

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Click HERE

The Ghost of Oppo > Quadradeuce 02/11/2016 at 10:42

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Master Cylinder > Quadradeuce 02/11/2016 at 10:42

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Ooh, I thought of another one:

I don’t necessarily hate other people driving these but I got one as a rental once (Budget thought it would be nice to “upgrade” me to the Patriot from thr MKS I had reserved) and it was the most awful driving experience I’ve ever had (which includes a Suzuki Sidekick made out of two Sidekicks welded together). It made me angry just to drive it.

Agrajag > Quadradeuce 02/11/2016 at 10:45

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Any K-Car derivative. Everything else is fine.

Van Man, rocks the Man Van > EL_ULY 02/11/2016 at 10:45

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Same here. As a car enthusiast, I think it's important to at least tolerate all cars.

Azrek > DoYouEvenShift 02/11/2016 at 10:46

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I’ll send them all to you...I am good. I’ll take the Compact car instead.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Quadradeuce 02/11/2016 at 10:47

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It’s a tossup for first between prius and corolla. Runners up are other beige Toyota’s (Camry, Avalon, Rav4—Sienna, though I dislike it as a car, doesn’t get the hate from me. The owners got it because they needed a minivan, often as a second car, not because they wanted an appliance), And what I like to call Honda corollas (any non Si or Sport Civic), GM corollas (Crapalier, non-SS Cobalt) and so on. Prius gives me more ammo, but the Corolla is more often the annoyance.

Let’s get something straight, I don’t really hate these as CARS. I might dislike them, the Corolla I took drivers ed in was truly woeful, but I’m OK that cars like this exist.

What I have an issue with is the people that buy them. The I don’t give a shit about driving, this is just an appliance but so help me god if you try to get by me because of my incompetance I will fucking cut your head off people. The I drive a hybrid that only gets the advertised MPG at around 3MPH and since I’m saving the planet I can go 3PMH in the fast lane because fuck you people. The my car only changes lanes to the left people. The limit is 60 I’m doing 55 and if you try to get past I’ll speed up and block you flip you off and slow down again when you get in behind people. The what’s all this lane doing at the end of the on ramp I don’t need that I’ll just “merge” at 10 MPH people. The I want to make a turn here and I see you coming so to let you know I see you I’ll wait until you’re almost here and then go at a snails pace people. The oh shit I needed to turn here I’ll just stop until people let me in and then go across wow aren’t people nice they’ve stopped for me why is that light red fuck it I’ll go anyway people. The I’m going to drag my ass and then catch the tail of a red so you get stuck people. The I drive 60 kph in a 40 kph zone 60 kph in a 60 kph zone 60 kph in a 1oo kph zone and 60 kph through stop signs people. The yield sign means yield to me right people. The I’ll creep up on the red because ain’t nobody got time for dat but I won’t accelerate when it actually goes green people.

And because these cars patronize these people, I hate them as an extension of that.

Of course, I have to admit that these vehicles do provide a public service—you see one, and realize there’s a 80% chance the driver’s a moron, alerting you that the correct course of action is to move away as many lanes as possible and bury the loud pedal so as to get by them before they realize what’s happening and put a stop to it.

Just in case.

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > Quadradeuce 02/11/2016 at 10:48

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I don’t really hate it but my vote is for the Acura ZDX.

Too tall to be a sedan and not quite a wagon. It looks pretty useless for practicality and isn’t styled well either.

Quadradeuce > dtg11 - is probably on an adventure with Clifford 02/11/2016 at 10:48

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Obvious answer is obvious. This and 90s-00s Buicks are in 2nd and 3rd place to me, mostly because the drivers are sooooo slooooow.

atrombs > Quadradeuce 02/11/2016 at 10:49

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I once got this Nissan Versa Note as a loaner while my car was in the shop, and it was the worst thing I have ever step foot in. Cheapest interior I have ever seen, and so under-powered it was almost dangerous. When I returned it and told them I was happy to be back in my car, the desk clerk even said “oh yeah that Nissan is a death box”.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Van Man, rocks the Man Van 02/11/2016 at 10:50

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Just because I tolerate bread and butter cars doesn’t mean I can’t hate certain ones amoung them based on the people who buy them.

I don’t think I really HATE any car, though I might not understand why you would buy one... but I DO hate some as an extension of the majority of the drivers.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Azrek 02/11/2016 at 10:50

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SS rental? I’m no fan of the HHR, but I’d take a HHRSS (Hearse).

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s 02/11/2016 at 10:51

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I would rock an H3T Alpha. All. Day. Long.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > The Ghost of Oppo 02/11/2016 at 10:52

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I don’t understand, but it’s not boring at least.

Milky > Tripper 02/11/2016 at 10:52

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So you CANT go on the forums for anything related to your car then.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap 02/11/2016 at 10:52

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Ugly blob. Though I have to say I like the Accord Crosstour.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > not for canada - australian in disguise 02/11/2016 at 10:53

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This is the disgrace of GM at the moment. And their bread and butter.

Basically, it’s GM’s current “Corolla”.

Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras > Quadradeuce 02/11/2016 at 10:53

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hate’s a strong word, there are cars i dislike...but none i hate

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 02/11/2016 at 10:55

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me too...as much as i love cars i think i love trucks more. i find myself fantasizing more about which truck i’ll own next than which car i will.

willkinton247 > Quadradeuce 02/11/2016 at 10:56

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The Toyota Camry. I feel sad just looking at it.

CalzoneGolem > Quadradeuce 02/11/2016 at 10:59

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I don’t hate any car but I find the Chrysler Pacifica distasteful.

Birddog > Quadradeuce 02/11/2016 at 11:01

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How about an entire damn car company?

With the exception of the Sky and Astra I HATE anything that wore this badge.

EL_ULY > Van Man, rocks the Man Van 02/11/2016 at 11:02

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well, there can be some aspects or details of some that might leave you scratching your head lol. But because there is always a contradiction and the right driver, video, or idea out there that could make any car a hero.

Also, there has been enough awkward moments to convince me that there is no need for hate.

Totally bashing a car down to the bolt when someone asks about it, then all of a sudden, “well, my [ insert family member ] really likes those and that’s why I was asking about it since you know about cars”

*facepalm of maximum awkwardness*

Wacko > Quadradeuce 02/11/2016 at 11:04

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All of modern Toyota 90s-today

but this fucker in particular.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Quadradeuce 02/11/2016 at 11:05

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Nothing, absolutely nothing

wiffleballtony > Quadradeuce 02/11/2016 at 11:07

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In response to the Dodge Caravan, I feel this is largely a result of a car that people buy specifically with the knowledge that it will be abused in the most disgusting ways possible. My sister in law have one, and its got a caved in door. It’s also barely running and filled with vomit.

Here’s my submission. I can’t for the life of me think of any rational reason to buy one of these. They were stupid expensive when new, they have appalling range, and of course the driving dynamics are practically nonexistent. Nothing screams, I hate having a car like one of these.

TFSIVTEC drivesavolvo > Quadradeuce 02/11/2016 at 11:08

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These just make me depressed

I see a Chrysler trend

Stapleface > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 02/11/2016 at 11:08

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I drive a Civic. The non-Si variety. Would I have preferred a Civic Si? Of course. But the regular Civic is good enough, and meets the needs of a daily driver quite well. And since my wife refuses to drive a manual, I couldn't get an Si, even if I wanted to. :/

But, getting back to your point, you are almost always correct about drivers of Corollas, Camrys, Accords and Civics. They seem to have the largest portion of brain dead drivers out there on the roads today.

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Quadradeuce 02/11/2016 at 11:09

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The 1996-2007 Caravan never existed - that date range covers two model generations, 1996-2000 and 2001-2007, they were both different (i.e. different bodies, etc).

That being said, I never minded either - the fact that there are a lot of them still around proves that they have to be at least decently well-built (mind you, most of the ones here seem to be taken care of far more than the ones you mention).

I also have the rose-colored glasses from the fact that our family owned a 1993 Caravan SE from around 1995-2004 and that thing was incredibly reliable - my parents had just divorced and my twin brother and I were living with our single mom, so it never got it’s “regular maintenance” as mom could just not afford it at the time. It only got sporadic oil changes beyond recommended intervals (at least we tried not to completely ignore this), and tires when they were very worn. Otherwise, it plugged away carrying her to school (she’s a teacher) and back a 30-40 min drive each day in all weather and she and us off to our various activities (school band, extra-curricular tech work, etc). It didn’t let us down ONCE that I can ever remember except once when the fuel pump died, and even then we drove 40km after it had started making noises with it whining away and it died 250m from the dealership and we rolled into the parking lot coasting, so it got us to “safety” despite the pump dying.

Still ran fairly well when parked, although it would’ve needed rocker-panel rust repair and some engine maintenance. Mom stopped driving it in late-2004 as it was too hard to get it up our long, slippery driveway in the winter due to it’s weight and she bought a used ‘93 Chevy Cavalier V6 from our neighbours for $1300 to replace it (now THAT was a shitty car...). Sold it in early-2005.

I still miss that big, old white beast...pic from January 2005 just after mom got the Cavalier and before the Caravan was sold.

As for my most-hated car, there are really none I HATE, so to speak. I respect all brands to an extent, but I guess my least-preferred car/brand would be GM...

WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap 02/11/2016 at 11:11

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I’ve seen exactly one in my life time. Black. Didn’t hate it in person.

wiffleballtony > willkinton247 02/11/2016 at 11:13

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My father in law has a black one and I almost don’t like associating with it.

WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI > willkinton247 02/11/2016 at 11:15

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Dead reliable. good gas mileage. decent space. fairly quick with the V6. Boring car for people who WANT a boring car. I don’t understand the hate.

WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI > Birddog 02/11/2016 at 11:15

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I know multiple people with SL1s that have over 300k on them. So there’s that.

davedave1111 > dtg11 - is probably on an adventure with Clifford 02/11/2016 at 11:16

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Not even close. If we’re going down that route...

WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI > EL_ULY 02/11/2016 at 11:17

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I’m with you on this one. It’s the drivers people should hate, not the cars.

Van Man, rocks the Man Van > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 02/11/2016 at 11:20

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That's what I'm trying to say. There aren't any cars I genuinely loathe, but there are plenty I wouldn't buy either. That said, I also think it's kinda silly to judge cars based on their owners since that doesn't effect you or the car itself.

Quadradeuce > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 02/11/2016 at 11:20

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True, those are technically two different models, they both look like a plastic bag that has been over-filled with dirty diapers, so I lump them together.

I never stated they were unreliable, only that I hated them. And I freely admit it’s not rational. I’ve never owned one, and my parents drove GM minivans. I do know several people who have owned them over the years, and lot’s of things fell apart on them but they kept on driving. However, when I worked in a repair shop in high school, old boxy caravans used to come in ALL of the time for oil burning issues. You knew what it was before it even drive into the bay.

Anyway, death to Caravans!

Quadradeuce > wiffleballtony 02/11/2016 at 11:22

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Yes, the Caravan may very well be the vomit bag of the car world, and it serves it’s function well.

Urambo Tauro > Quadradeuce 02/11/2016 at 11:24

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How about names? There are some cars that I like a lot but the name just makes me boil with rage.

Chevy SS

Ford GT

Cadillac CT6 (because it stands for “Cadillac Cadillac Touring 6")

CobraJoe > Quadradeuce 02/11/2016 at 11:24

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The sad thing is the 90s-00s Buicks are somewhat underrated. They’re quite comfortable and that soft suspension soaks up all the bumps, and most came with the nearly bulletproof 3800 V6 while the few that didn’t came with the 3800 supercharged.

I’d take a 240hp couch over any bland daily driver, and personally, I think the mid-90s Riv to be a great looking car. Plus, you can find them all day long for under $4k with low miles, or under $2k if you don’t mind something a little more used.

DoYouEvenShift > Azrek 02/11/2016 at 11:25

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Thank you!

Birddog > WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI 02/11/2016 at 11:25

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It’s not about the cars themselves. The entire company should have never happened.

Quadradeuce > TFSIVTEC drivesavolvo 02/11/2016 at 11:25

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That’s an Avenger, right? I had one as a rental while my car was in the bod shop for a minor repair. I couldn’t believe how much body roll it had. I felt unsafe.

CobraJoe > Jdrentarol 02/11/2016 at 11:26

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That one really isn’t that bad...

DoYouEvenShift > Quadradeuce 02/11/2016 at 11:26

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The cause of 90% of all traffic jams.

WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI > Birddog 02/11/2016 at 11:29

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Fair enough.

TFSIVTEC drivesavolvo > Quadradeuce 02/11/2016 at 11:30

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Yes the Avenger indeed, I'm not sure if it ever succeeded at Avenging the Neon

willkinton247 > WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI 02/11/2016 at 11:31

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It’s the Budweiser of cars. Almost everything that competes with it is better, and yet people still buy it because they’re too lazy to try anything else.

Why would anyone want a boring car when a non-boring car can do exactly the same thing and more, while being just as reliable , and not really cost any more? There is no reason. No reason whatsoever. And yet, people still buy them in droves because they’re mindlessly wandering through life, taking the path of least resistance. If they tried anything else, they would realize how shit a Camry is, but they won’t.

That’s why I hate the Camry. The Camry represents a life of chosen ignorance. A life without much thought.

We only get so much time here people, why are we not trying to experience the best of it?!

*flips desk*

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Stapleface 02/11/2016 at 11:32

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Yeah, it’s not the cars with me, it’s the cars as extensions of the drivers. I tend to go by a sliding scale:

Beige Toyota: Pass at first opportunity, JUST IN CASE.

GM Corollas: Treat with suspicion. Pass if the opportunity presents itself.

Honda&Nissan Corollas: Observe behaviour. Pass at first opportunity if they show any warning signs.

Ford/Chrysler Corollas fall to either side of GM Corollas depending on the model.

CobraJoe > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s 02/11/2016 at 11:32

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Typical GM, making the good version after all the buyers have given up on the car.

Jdrentarol > CobraJoe 02/11/2016 at 11:34

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Have some rice

you ricer

WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI > willkinton247 02/11/2016 at 11:35

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*Fixes all the flipped desks* I agree with all of that. Still not a bad car.

Master Cylinder > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s 02/11/2016 at 11:36

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It’s too bad, really, ‘cause it’s not like the truck is terrible, it just seems to be purchased in large part by douches. It definitely has been one of the best, if not the best, choices if you want a diesel. Unfortunately, that also leads to its popularity among the knuckle-dragging coal roller crowd, too.

CobraJoe > willkinton247 02/11/2016 at 11:39

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I just realized... There so much annoyance for buyers of the bland Toyotas who blindly think that the big T’s reliability trumps everything, but we really should be blaming Toyota.

There’s no reason their bland section of cars should be so boring, several other manufacturers keep on showing that you can have reliability and comfort and/or fun and/or style.

It’s all Toyota’s fault.

dtg11 - is probably on an adventure with Clifford > davedave1111 02/11/2016 at 11:41

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much confuse

davedave1111 > dtg11 - is probably on an adventure with Clifford 02/11/2016 at 11:43

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Hang on, wtf is that? It was supposed to be a picture of a Yaris Verso.

I’ll try again with a different GISpic:

Quadradeuce > CobraJoe 02/11/2016 at 11:43

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No hate on the Buicks as cars, more on their drivers. It’s either someone who’s doctor has probably revoked their license, or a young person who has stolen grandma’s LeSabre when she was put in the home. Neither makes for a good driver.

dtg11 - is probably on an adventure with Clifford > davedave1111 02/11/2016 at 11:44

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It’s not just that the car is awful. It’s also that the people who drive them think that since they are saving the environment, they are above the law.

davedave1111 > dtg11 - is probably on an adventure with Clifford 02/11/2016 at 11:46

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Sure, but that doesn’t begin to compensate for the incredible amount more detestable a Yaris Verso is than a Prius.

willkinton247 > CobraJoe 02/11/2016 at 11:47

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But Toyota has no reason to change! They’ve realized they can put a slightly new face on the old car which was a slightly new face on the car before that and people will buy it thinking it’s the car Jesus himself will return with.

Toyota is resting on its laurels, because they know that the T on the front of the car is more or less a $10,000 feature that means nothing, but people lap it up.

dtg11 - is probably on an adventure with Clifford > davedave1111 02/11/2016 at 11:47

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I also haven’t seen one (Verso) in person

CobraJoe > Jdrentarol 02/11/2016 at 11:51

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Mmmm... Chicken.

But this is much worse:

Everything that can be bolted/or stuck on with double stick tape onto an otherwise stock sedan. Why?

CobraJoe > Quadradeuce 02/11/2016 at 11:52

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Fair point

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Van Man, rocks the Man Van 02/11/2016 at 11:52

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Not really. Who the majority of the owners are is a reflection of the way the car is designed and marketed. If something is designed and marketed as a cheap, reliable, high quality appliance, it attracts beige drivers. Therefore, I can respect the car for what it is (good value) and still hate it because it successfully became a receptacle for a moron.

CobraJoe > willkinton247 02/11/2016 at 11:55

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They have one decently good reason: Because the CEO is a self proclaimed enthusiast and was the driving force behind the GT86 twins. Other than that, if Toyota doesn’t step up their game, people will eventually catch on, and that’s a hard stigma to overcome.

willkinton247 > TFSIVTEC drivesavolvo 02/11/2016 at 11:59

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I figured out who buys these cars, along with Dodge Calibers and Jeep Compasses.

It’s people who have driven $1000 cars their entire life, and then they rent one or something, and it’s so much better than the $1000 cars they have been driving because it’s new. So when they finally decide they’re going to buy something nice, they go buy one, thinking it’s great.

Berang > Quadradeuce 02/11/2016 at 12:03

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Most specifically the gas engined one, which is just stupidity on wheels. But they’re all uglier than an exploded ass.

gawdzillla > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 02/11/2016 at 12:04

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with the v8

Mattbob > Quadradeuce 02/11/2016 at 12:06

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1st gen Chevy Aveo. I don’t know why, but I always find myself being an asshole to Aveo drivers because they bought the wrong car.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > gawdzillla 02/11/2016 at 12:07

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Exactly. Idk if they ever made a “T” Alpha though.

Tripper > Milky 02/11/2016 at 12:13

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Nope...none of em lol

Sovereign, Purveyor of Coupes > Quadradeuce 02/11/2016 at 12:29

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Couldn’t pick just one.

Matthew Phillips > TFSIVTEC drivesavolvo 02/11/2016 at 12:29

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That’s because the Caliber was avenging the Neon. The Avenger replaced the Stratus

Michael Cohen > wiffleballtony 02/11/2016 at 12:47

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A limited defense of the Leaf. Let’s say you drive not that far each day, so range is non-issue. You don’t care about dynamics, going from A to B is all that matters. Having said that, in city traffic they’re quick off the line. And the economics are not that bad. The overwhelming majority are leased, and they lease at prices of much cheaper cars. Ok, I hate them too.

wiffleballtony > Michael Cohen 02/11/2016 at 12:50

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I’m in the desert which demolished their range, there would be serious doubts as to whether it would make a round trip to and from work. I remember the lease terms being favorable but apart from that...

Caleb "If a rally car can do it, so can my Malibu" M. S. > Quadradeuce 02/11/2016 at 12:55

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The Chevy Corvette. I have respect for its ability, but I hate it as a car. Styling is bad, the heritage is bad, engine is eh, and overall the drivers are asshats.

XJDano > Quadradeuce 02/11/2016 at 13:15

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I am thinking about getting a van like that as a compromise to getting a 7 passenger Suburban.

I am sad.

Michael Parker > TFSIVTEC drivesavolvo 02/11/2016 at 13:17

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I got stuck with one of these when my car was in the shop.

It is truly horrible. Just abysmal.

Michael Parker > Quadradeuce 02/11/2016 at 13:25

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These things... ugh, they are just... so... pointless....

Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever > wiffleballtony 02/11/2016 at 13:27

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The Leaf’s EV range is nearly twice that of the period-correct (original) Chevrolet Volt. What’s wrong with that?

Lincoln-Hawk > Quadradeuce 02/11/2016 at 13:31

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Run.

Quadradeuce > XJDano 02/11/2016 at 13:34

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Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever > Quadradeuce 02/11/2016 at 13:35

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Here in California, I personally dislike the Toyota Highlander and Honda Pilot for being dishonest products. They have bloated so much that there is no practical reason to buy one over a Sienna or Odyssey. Yet people buy them because they want things like “space” and “practicality”.

The large CUV has the same number of seats, the same features, less space and a higher price than the MPV. It’s the most dishonestly marketed type of car—the kind that claims “practicality” but really sells image. The buyers have been conditioned into thinking that CUVs are the go-to family car.

Quadradeuce > Michael Parker 02/11/2016 at 13:37

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My backdoor neighbor has the pre-facelift version (non-SS). It hasn’t moved in over 2 years. They bought a new car, but didn’t trade it in. I think it’s his prized possesion. So sad, especially since I know they needed a HUD loan to buy the house.

Quadradeuce > Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever 02/11/2016 at 13:47

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I checked out the Toyota lineup at last year’s auto show and I was amazed by the bloat. And I agree with you for the most part about CUVs. The only thing I can say about minvans in tht their quality is terrible. Manufacturers basically assume they are going to be moving vomitoriums, so they don’t bother to make the interior last. I’ve driven several, and I have friends who have various minivans. They all have lots of interior issues. Right now, my buddy’s caravan’s power locks don’t work. WTF, how does that happen in 2016?

My old van had all sort of interior trim pieces fall off. When I traded it in (for $1k) I just put a box of the pieces in the back. There was nothing wrong with that van mechanically, but I had to get rid of it because it was embarrassing. And this was before I had kids, so it was treated very well.

Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever > CobraJoe 02/11/2016 at 13:48

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I listed the Toyota Highlander as one of the cars I dislike the most. But it’s no joke when you personally experience Toyota and Lexus being more reliable than any other brand.

I myself steer clear of Toyota because I like interesting cars, but if you’re looking for reliability, nothing has served my parents more reliably than Toyotas. After owning things like an S-class, a 5-series and some other brands, my father has settled back in the Toyota camp. His last 7 cars in southern China have been three Previas, an RX400h, an LC Prado and two Alphards.

A Honda Accord that I currently have in California does come close, but it’s not quite there. It’s got the classic Honda warpy brake discs.

Rather than engineering a car to achieve performance parameters, Toyota purposely engineers out all potential problems with thick design margins and minimum complexity.

Even when introducing revolutionary powertrains, Toyota has succeeded in making the Prius dead reliable since the very first generation. Yes, the electric power steering makes me want to shrivel up and die, and the handling makes me want to shrivel up and die, but for a non-enthusiast commuter stuck at 20 mph on I-405 in Los Angeles, just trying to get to work and save gas money, does that really matter?